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	<title>Comments on: Michigan &#8220;Stormfront&#8221; Members Attended Nick Griffin Speech at MSU</title>
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		<title>By: Judeophobe Watch</title>
		<link>http://www.mediamouse.org/news/2007/11/michigan-stormf.php#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Judeophobe Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve written about creeps like John de Nugent on my Judeophobe Watch blog.  My last post was devoted to him.

True, you can&#039;t judge a speakers solely on who they attract, but it should put up warning signs and get one to wonder what exactly makes a person appealing to such losers.

Ron Paul also has Stormfront&#039;s blessing, but he attracts lots of Libertarians too.

In a two party system for example, racists have to vote for someone.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve written about creeps like John de Nugent on my Judeophobe Watch blog.  My last post was devoted to him.</p>
<p>True, you can&#8217;t judge a speakers solely on who they attract, but it should put up warning signs and get one to wonder what exactly makes a person appealing to such losers.</p>
<p>Ron Paul also has Stormfront&#8217;s blessing, but he attracts lots of Libertarians too.</p>
<p>In a two party system for example, racists have to vote for someone.</p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
		<link>http://www.mediamouse.org/news/2007/11/michigan-stormf.php#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to let folks know, I rejected a post from Preston Wiginton because he used homophobic language. However, it seems appropriate to point out that he recently spoke at a racist rally in Russia:

&quot;Texan joins thousands of Russian nationalists for anti-immigrant march in Moscow

MOSCOW: As Preston Wiginton, a white supremacist from Texas, stepped forward to address thousands of Russian nationalists at a rally Sunday in Moscow, he lifted his black cowboy hat high in the air.

&#039;I&#039;m taking my hat off as a sign of respect for your strong identity in ethnicity, nation and race,&#039; he said, exposing his close-cropped head to a freezing drizzle.

&#039;Glory to Russia,&#039; Wiginton, 43, said in broken Russian, as the crowd of mostly young Russian men raised their right hands in a Nazi salute and chanted &#039;white power!&#039; in English.

About 5,000 nationalists turned out for the Russian March, held for the third straight year on National Unity Day, a public holiday the Kremlin inaugurated in 2005 to replace the traditional Nov. 7 celebration of the 1917 Bolshevik rise to power.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to let folks know, I rejected a post from Preston Wiginton because he used homophobic language. However, it seems appropriate to point out that he recently spoke at a racist rally in Russia:</p>
<p>&#8220;Texan joins thousands of Russian nationalists for anti-immigrant march in Moscow</p>
<p>MOSCOW: As Preston Wiginton, a white supremacist from Texas, stepped forward to address thousands of Russian nationalists at a rally Sunday in Moscow, he lifted his black cowboy hat high in the air.</p>
<p>&#8216;I&#8217;m taking my hat off as a sign of respect for your strong identity in ethnicity, nation and race,&#8217; he said, exposing his close-cropped head to a freezing drizzle.</p>
<p>&#8216;Glory to Russia,&#8217; Wiginton, 43, said in broken Russian, as the crowd of mostly young Russian men raised their right hands in a Nazi salute and chanted &#8216;white power!&#8217; in English.</p>
<p>About 5,000 nationalists turned out for the Russian March, held for the third straight year on National Unity Day, a public holiday the Kremlin inaugurated in 2005 to replace the traditional Nov. 7 celebration of the 1917 Bolshevik rise to power.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://yafwatch.blogspot.com/2007/11/preston-wiginton-in-russia.html" rel="nofollow">http://yafwatch.blogspot.com/2007/11/preston-wiginton-in-russia.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
		<link>http://www.mediamouse.org/news/2007/11/michigan-stormf.php#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article has nothing to do with justifying the actions of the left. It&#039;s simply pointing out what happens when you invite a member of the organized racist movement to campus--more members of that movement can be expected to attend in the audience. Moreover, we shouldn&#039;t forget that Griffin brought Preston Wiginton--who also has been active on Stormfront--with him to campus.

Beyond that, given YAF&#039;s concern over &quot;leftists&quot; and those protesting the event, I highly doubt that Griffin just happened to eat with members of the audience--it seems like that would have been somewhat restricted, but of course that&#039;s just speculation.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article has nothing to do with justifying the actions of the left. It&#8217;s simply pointing out what happens when you invite a member of the organized racist movement to campus&#8211;more members of that movement can be expected to attend in the audience. Moreover, we shouldn&#8217;t forget that Griffin brought Preston Wiginton&#8211;who also has been active on Stormfront&#8211;with him to campus.</p>
<p>Beyond that, given YAF&#8217;s concern over &#8220;leftists&#8221; and those protesting the event, I highly doubt that Griffin just happened to eat with members of the audience&#8211;it seems like that would have been somewhat restricted, but of course that&#8217;s just speculation.</p>
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		<title>By: redandwhitestripes</title>
		<link>http://www.mediamouse.org/news/2007/11/michigan-stormf.php#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>redandwhitestripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t reject my comments, I have abided by your rules.

So these SF members turned up because of Griffin and this is not coincidence? Well by your own numbers, there were a couple of SF guys and a whole bunch of about seventy rude, abusive and violent left wingers who set off the alarm, destroyed an effigy and tried to stop the talk altogether.

I repeat, by your own logic that a speaker&#039;s audience reflects the speaker, Griffin is just an undemocratic, far left rabble rouser.

He ate dinner with the SF guys? Have you never eaten with somebody you didn&#039;t know when you were in a foreign country? Is he obliged to say &quot;Excuse me, please disclose all your political allegiances before you sit down and eat your fries&quot;? Do you?

Do/have the Republicans, The Democrats, Labour or the Lib Dems never had undesirable people attend their speeches? Do you far left people never have any Mao admirers at your meetings?

There is simply no logic to the argument in this article. It&#039;s an example of smearing to justify a viewpoint to try and retain your imagined moral high ground, and it does not wash.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t reject my comments, I have abided by your rules.</p>
<p>So these SF members turned up because of Griffin and this is not coincidence? Well by your own numbers, there were a couple of SF guys and a whole bunch of about seventy rude, abusive and violent left wingers who set off the alarm, destroyed an effigy and tried to stop the talk altogether.</p>
<p>I repeat, by your own logic that a speaker&#8217;s audience reflects the speaker, Griffin is just an undemocratic, far left rabble rouser.</p>
<p>He ate dinner with the SF guys? Have you never eaten with somebody you didn&#8217;t know when you were in a foreign country? Is he obliged to say &#8220;Excuse me, please disclose all your political allegiances before you sit down and eat your fries&#8221;? Do you?</p>
<p>Do/have the Republicans, The Democrats, Labour or the Lib Dems never had undesirable people attend their speeches? Do you far left people never have any Mao admirers at your meetings?</p>
<p>There is simply no logic to the argument in this article. It&#8217;s an example of smearing to justify a viewpoint to try and retain your imagined moral high ground, and it does not wash.</p>
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		<title>By: redandwhitestripes</title>
		<link>http://www.mediamouse.org/news/2007/11/michigan-stormf.php#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>redandwhitestripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is also &quot;more than a coincidence&quot; that a large number of people turned up to hurl abuse and engage in childish or violent antics such as smashing effigies or setting off alarms. The trail of logic in this article or your comment does not work.

And do we know that Griffin had been informed &quot;Excuse me sir you should not eat with these people they are Stormfront members&quot; beforehand? Is he required to check about everybody he eats with? Do you?

This article is proof that some people are simply looking to justify the actions of the left on this evening because, in fact, they know their actions were unjustifiable.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is also &#8220;more than a coincidence&#8221; that a large number of people turned up to hurl abuse and engage in childish or violent antics such as smashing effigies or setting off alarms. The trail of logic in this article or your comment does not work.</p>
<p>And do we know that Griffin had been informed &#8220;Excuse me sir you should not eat with these people they are Stormfront members&#8221; beforehand? Is he required to check about everybody he eats with? Do you?</p>
<p>This article is proof that some people are simply looking to justify the actions of the left on this evening because, in fact, they know their actions were unjustifiable.</p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
		<link>http://www.mediamouse.org/news/2007/11/michigan-stormf.php#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griffin holds racist beliefs and his speech attracted racists, that seems pretty logical to me. Aside from that, according to the Stormfront posters cited in the article, Griffin ate dinner with these folks. That is more than a coincidence.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffin holds racist beliefs and his speech attracted racists, that seems pretty logical to me. Aside from that, according to the Stormfront posters cited in the article, Griffin ate dinner with these folks. That is more than a coincidence.</p>
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		<title>By: redandwhitestripes</title>
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		<dc:creator>redandwhitestripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hang on minute, you are blaming Griffin for these people attending the event? You are saying that the attendees reflect the speaker, right? In that case, Griffin must be a loud mouth, abusive, violent and undemocratic Communist because all I saw at that event was abuse and hateful behavior from the left who had no interest in a discussion or debate.

Please think about your logic trail before you write nonsense. Of course you won&#039;t print my comment as it doesn&#039;t suit your argument. YAF Watch are just the same.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang on minute, you are blaming Griffin for these people attending the event? You are saying that the attendees reflect the speaker, right? In that case, Griffin must be a loud mouth, abusive, violent and undemocratic Communist because all I saw at that event was abuse and hateful behavior from the left who had no interest in a discussion or debate.</p>
<p>Please think about your logic trail before you write nonsense. Of course you won&#8217;t print my comment as it doesn&#8217;t suit your argument. YAF Watch are just the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Davidson</title>
		<link>http://www.mediamouse.org/news/2007/11/michigan-stormf.php#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This link describes the current and former activities of a person named L. Timothy Gratz who was active in Donald Segretti&#039;s CREEP campaigns

the Committee to Re-elect the President (Nixon) and the Wisconsin Chapter of YAF.  It is important

to follow current and former members of YAF to see what they have been up to and what they are now up to as well.  It is the only way to meet the

threats of YAF head on.  Also on this site is Doug Caddy, one of the original founding fathers of YAF along with William F. Buckey, Jr. and Larrie Schmidt who financed the Wanted for Treason Poster against JFK in Dallas on the day he died.  CREEP also tried to remove George Wallace&#039;s AIP Party from the California ballot in 1968.  You MUST LEARN ALL ABOUT YAF, THEIR STAFF, THEIR TACTICS AND THEIR STORMTROOPER ACTIVITIES. Some members of CREEP were seen with Arthur Bremer on the day he shot George Wallace in 1968.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=3795&amp;hl=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=3795&amp;hl=&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This link describes the current and former activities of a person named L. Timothy Gratz who was active in Donald Segretti&#8217;s CREEP campaigns</p>
<p>the Committee to Re-elect the President (Nixon) and the Wisconsin Chapter of YAF.  It is important</p>
<p>to follow current and former members of YAF to see what they have been up to and what they are now up to as well.  It is the only way to meet the</p>
<p>threats of YAF head on.  Also on this site is Doug Caddy, one of the original founding fathers of YAF along with William F. Buckey, Jr. and Larrie Schmidt who financed the Wanted for Treason Poster against JFK in Dallas on the day he died.  CREEP also tried to remove George Wallace&#8217;s AIP Party from the California ballot in 1968.  You MUST LEARN ALL ABOUT YAF, THEIR STAFF, THEIR TACTICS AND THEIR STORMTROOPER ACTIVITIES. Some members of CREEP were seen with Arthur Bremer on the day he shot George Wallace in 1968.</p>
<p><a href="http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=3795&#038;hl=" rel="nofollow">http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=3795&#038;hl=</a></p>
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		<title>By: bug_girl</title>
		<link>http://www.mediamouse.org/news/2007/11/michigan-stormf.php#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>bug_girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW. Thanks so much for collecting all this information in one spot. I will share it with a friend at MSU.  We&#039;ve talked quite a bit about YAF.

:(

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW. Thanks so much for collecting all this information in one spot. I will share it with a friend at MSU.  We&#8217;ve talked quite a bit about YAF.<br />
 <img src='http://www.mediamouse.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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